Mormon Wars

By Jonathan Gardner

I want to address a common charge that has poisoned the minds of the anti-Mormons. It is simply that the LDS church is a church of murders and wars.

This complaint is not new. The short answer is that, yes, mormons have killed and will kill again. But we are only allowed to kill under specific circumstances. These include the defense of our life, the lives of our family, friends, and neighbors, or property. It also includes fighting in wars for our country.

The LDS church is strict: we abide by all laws of our country, whether we like them or not.  In fact, in countries where it is illegal to preach or worship, we do not preach or worship. That also means that if our country declares war, we also declare war. This resulted in mormons fighting mormons in World War II as there were mormons in Germany and the United States.

Now, as for allegations of mormons murdering in Missouri or Illinois back in the latter half of the 19th Century, I hope to lay this to rest. You have before you plenty of historical resources from which you can draw historical facts. You can go read about the Missouri Mormon Extermination Order, where mormons could be shot on sight. You can go read about the President of the United States refusing to send troops to Missouri and Illinois to stop the violence. You can also read about the various militias that were raised, legally and lawfully, and put under the command of the state authorities in those states.

Let me give you the short version. There were people who hated the mormons, hated them so much that they would kill them. A particularly painful event in our history is the massacre at Haun’s Mill in Missouri, where a mob moved in and murdered in cold blood women, men, and children.

You can read about how assassins were sent after Joseph Smith and others, and how they were unsuccessful. In one instance, an assassion caught Joseph Smith alone in a barn. When confronted, Joseph Smith put his arms in the air and challenged him to fire his gun. The man fled, thankfully, giving Joseph a few more years of his life.

Was there a Mormon War in Missouri? Yes, there was. As mormons moved into Missouri, the natives began forming mobs and harrassing the mormons. To stop the fighting, the governor sent a general to raise troops and quell the violence. The troops raised were from the mormons, and they were ordered to disarm the mob. This involved violence, violence which was exaggerated until it reached the governor’s ears. Then the order came to disarm the mormons and arrest the leaders. The leaders surrendered and the mormon militia disbanded. Then came the Extermination Order. The leaders were carried away into a dismal, cold jail, where they barely survived the winter. The rest abandoned their belongings and moved to Illinois.

In Illinois, the church enjoyed a few years of relative peace, thanks to the generosity of the residents there. However, it wasn’t long before the mobs were stirred up, and war was about to break out between the lawfully organized Mormon Militia in Nauvoo, and the illegally rallied mob. Joseph Smith was summoned for trial, and like a lamb to the slaughter, he went. There, the mob broke into the jail, and murdered Joseph and his brother Hyrum, martyring them.

The church was driven out of Illinois, once again abandoning their cities and their property. Once again, they had to flee through winter. Once again, they paid a heavy price in human lives. The trek across the plains was no picnic either. Not only did they who lived in Illinois have to flee, my own ancestors among them, but converts from England had to make the trek also to join the church in Salt Lake Valley.

I wish to share you a story of the faith of these converts. These were not frontiersmen like the earliest members were. These were city folk, usually of lower class. They took handcarts in companies, led by an able captain. The Willie and Martin Companies left a little late from their starting point. The captain cautioned them to stay the winter and try in the spring. They were willing to take the risk to spend that winter with the saints in the valley, and so he led them.

Caught in a terrible snowstorm outside of the valley, President Brigham Young heard the news and cancelled general conference to organize a rescue party. With great effort, and even the sacrifice of human lives, they brought the companies the last few miles into safety.

Even in the Salt Lake Valley, however, the persecution did not stop. Far away in Washington D.C., anti-mormons were spreading false rumors of the mormon’s intention to form a separate nation. A worried president dispatched federal troops to quell the rebellion. Yes, this was another war, a war that ended once again with the church surrendering. Luckily, no lives were lost on either side, but the mormons had to suffer a military base in the middle of their capitol city, complete with prostitution, gambling, and alcohol.

Whenever anyone sets their hand to do what is right, the hands of opposition are there to stop it. Anyone who has made an effort to do good knows this. The greatest acts of goodness are met with the greatest acts of violence and intolerance. The mormons were no exception to that rule.

As for intolerance, hatred, cruelty, and persecution, LDS members worldwide are familiar with these even today. LDS members are taught not to hate their enemies, but to love them. They are taught not to complain, but to praise God. We are taught to count themselves lucky to beaten with a few of the stripes that Christ was beaten with. We are taught to respond to all the intolerance and hatred and fear not with antipathy and violence, but with kindness and love and faith. That is the history of my ancestors and my church, and I am not ashamed of it.

9 Responses to “Mormon Wars”

  1. dugoutnut Says:

    Try reading this book:

    Under The Banner of Heaven by Jon Krakauer. It alone disproves most of what you claim about killing, Morman migration west and so forth.

    I wondered what had your knickers in such a knot.

    The only reason to kill is in self defense. That includes defending your country. The Mormon church has, for generations, sanctioned murder as a way to purge evil.

    War dissenters, in your book, are evil. So apparently are non-believers.

    Joseph Smith was a fraud. A killer. A child molester. A control freak.

    End of story.

  2. Jonathan Gardner Says:

    I’d rather not read the book you mentioned. Just reading the response of the church and the rebuttal is enough to show it is a meaningless exercise.

    It is apparent that the author set out with a conclusion and tried to exclude any facts that contradicted that. In the end, he got exactly what he wanted.

    As for the history of the church, I would like to know of one — just one! — instance of “sanctioned murder” in our church’s history. I can think of mormons slaughtered and raped and robbed. I can think of people fighting to protect their lives, their wives, and their children. I can’t think of any mormons doing the same to their enemies. Of course, there are exaggerated stories, and there are stories without any reliable evidence.

    Have members of the LDS church murdered in the past? Yes. And every time they did, they were turned over to the authorities, tried, and punished appropriately. That hasn’t changed, nor do I expect it to ever change. Why? Because the LDS church preaches that murder is the second most grave sin, behind denying the Holy Ghost, and forgiveness for murder cannot be had in this life. Certainly, Mormons wouldn’t engage in murder if they thought it put their eternal salvation in mortal peril.

    I certainly don’t appreciate your slander of my reverred prophet Joseph Smith. Before you go about smearing religious figures from the past, how about you do some real research? I do not know what you are basing any of these claims on. I have yet to see any plausible claim of the above, and I have looked for it. The only evidences people have are speculatory or invented or unsupported by any reliable historical evidence.

    Certainly if Joseph were guilty of the above the mob would have gladly brought him to trial and the people would have glady punished him according to his crimes. Yet, for some reason, they had to resort to murdering him and his guiltless brother Hyrum in cold blood in his jail cell before the trial. And it didn’t take just one man–it took a whole army of men to kill him. Does that sound like justice?

  3. dugoutnut Says:

    Jonathan,

    Can you not see the hypocrisy in your first paragraph. I gave you a book to read. one that by all accounts, other than the LDS church, was praised for its accuracy and attention to historical detail, but because THE CHURCH says it is bad, you dismiss it out of hand.

    It is a sin not expand your mind and learn when there is a lesson at hand. What does the LDS Church fear from a book. The truth?

    How do you know what the author set out to do, if you have not read the book? Actually, he was surprised with where the research took him. Read the forward.

    I am guessing you have not read the God Makers either.

    I really do feel sad for you that you allow your church to dictate what you will, and will not, read.

    Joseph Smith is not a religious leader. He was selfish man who craved power and sex. He is Jim Jones or David Koresh on steroids. Nothing more. A common criminal, sexual deviant and thief. When one looks for evidence with his eyes closed, he will find exactly what he is looking for………nothing!

    Because Hyrum, and Joseph, were killed while awaiting trial on charges of riot and treason, does not make them innocent. It is a regrettable incident, their killing is not excused, but again, their killing is not proof of their innocence. To insinuate such is what you do best, intellectual dishonesty.

    Dug

  4. Jonathan Gardner Says:

    Why would I read a book when its author can’t even defend it? Did you read his rebuttal to the church’s response? Pathetic. It is full of tired old claims I have already heard, and some new fabrications that I haven’t but are baseless. It’s like reading a book about physics by a crackpot. Why bother?

    The LDS church doesn’t fear the book or any book or any person or their claims. Are we calling for it to be banned? No! The church is merely pointing out what the book is and exposing its fraud. We’re allowed to defend ourselves. Or would you rather ban all mormons from defending their religion?

    I haven’t read godmakers but I have heard the same things about the book from several different people that have. It is yet another book full of inaccuracies and exaggerations and false claims, with a kernel of truth to it. However, that truth is obscured by the lies. I would be happy to defend against any claim made by any of those books. Go ahead and start levelling them, but be prepared to have a real debate. I will call you on ad hominem attacks, distractions, and inconsistencies.

    Your claims about Joseph Smith are getting more and more absurd as time goes on. Rather than stick with a claim and prove it, you are simply inventing more and more outrageous claims. If I were on trial for murder, you certainly wouldn’t accuse me of theft to prove I am a murderer! You would have to produce the body, the witnesses, etc… I am asking you, here and now, to produce the evidence.

    Let me defend him against your other attacks in the meantime.

    How can Joseph Smith be anything but a religious leader? If not religious then what kind of leader was he? Or was he not a leader at all?

    Can you point to one–just one–instance of Joseph acting selfishly? As far as I can tell, he lived a life of poverty and persecution, and for what? To have his closest friends denounce him and hate him? To get murdered in his thirties? Those people who knew Joseph Smith best knew that he would rather give than receive, minister than be ministered to, serve rather than be served. If there is one instance where he was otherwise, I would like to know it.

    There is a world of difference between the Jim Jones and Koreshs of the world and Joseph Smith. Joseph Smith not only followed the law of the land, but he taught that the members of the church should subject themselves to it. Joseph Smith built a religion, not a personality cult. (Or do you believe personality cults can survive for generations after the original personality is killed?)

    I am interesting in what you are basing the claims of thievery on. The only time I have heard him accused of thievery was when he obtained the golden plates. Of course, you don’t believe those even exist, so are you claiming he stole an illusion? Or do you admit that they exist? If the plates exist, that certainly goes a long way to proving Joseph Smith was not a fraud.

    I believe martyrdom is a good proof of one’s innocence. I’m not talking about “martyrdom” where someone straps themselves with dynamite and blows up Jewish girls in an Sbarro. I am talking about the kind of martyrdom where the person does not abandon their claims until their dying breath, where they are killed simply for what they claim. The kind of martyrdom that Galileo, Peter, and Jesus suffered. You can go ahead and believe otherwise, but I don’t think Joseph or any man would invent a fraud simply to be murdered for it.

  5. dugoutnut Says:

    Joseph Smith stole minds, children and wives.

    The plates are a fabrication of his imagination. You can not prove otherwise, the eight “witnesses” notwithstanding. I can just hear that conversation, “Alright, you guys back me up this plate thing and I will provide you with all the young, hot wives you want. You will have standing in the new “church” and whatever else you need”. Prove it did not happen that way, Jonathan. You can’t.

    You won’t read the books out of fear. Everywhere, except in the Mormon Church, both books are accepted as factual.

    As for your claims to martyrdom, many a murderer, child molester and thief has gone to their grave claiming innocence. The fact that Joseph Smith was murdered does not make him a martyr. It just makes him dead.

    Dug

  6. Joel Says:

    I’ve read the Krakauer book, and while it’s interesting as far as the polygamous sects go, it doesn’t really have much bearing on the mainstream church, which has been officially separate from the polygs for more than a century. At any rate, I wouldn’t take it as proof of anything more than Krakauer’s opinion. Information to be considered, yes. Authoritative, no.

  7. Jonathan Gardner Says:

    Dugoutnut,

    You are delusional.

    I can easily disprove that it happened the way you said it happened. How? Two ways:

    The revelation dictating polygamy occurred many, many years after the witnesses to the golden plates, AND many of the witnesses did not participate in polygamy. Before the revelation, no member of the church was allowed to practice polygamy, nor did any member of the church believe it would be practiced. (Or do you have something nobody else has ever seen before? Please share if you do.)

    But the strongest proof of all is that NONE of the witnesses, all 11 of them, despite some falling away from the church and becoming bitter enemies of Joseph Smith, recanted their testimony. So you have NO witnesses that say it happened the way you said it happened. In other words, you just made that up.

    Shall I have to refute every invention of your imagination? No, I will simply label you “delusional” because that is what somebody who makes up stories without any evidence is.

    By the way, dugoutnut, your expertise on mormonism seems very, very weak. I thought you would have at least studied the anti-Mormon literature in detail. It seems you have a lot of work just to get your story straight.

  8. DugoutNut Says:

    Jonathan,

    Because you “label” me delusional, does not make it so.

    Joseph Smith was delusional by your standard of “making up stories”. You could be labeled delusional for believing those stories.

    I have never read one piece of anti-Mormon literature. I know the church considers the two sources that I indicated as being anti-Mormon, but again, that does not make it so. They are just books with information.

    As for my “here is how it COULD have happened”….I did not say that is what happened, I was only voicing that there were other explanations as to how there came to be “witnesses”. I did not state it as fact. I was being facetious.

    Plural marriage was a revelation of whom, Jonathan? Which Mormon leader had this revelation? This is more of your intellectual dishonesty. Plural marriages were only banned when the United States government was considering Utah for Statehood and the concern/fear was that Statehood would be denied based on the issue.

    So, answer the question Jonathan, who had the revelation about plural marriages?

    Dug

  9. Jonathan Gardner Says:

    I will address that topic shortly.

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