Religious Beliefs Cause Harm?

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Article VI Blog finds that Judge Walker just discovered a new fact:

77. Religious beliefs that gay and lesbian relationships are sinful or inferior to heterosexual relationships harm gays and lesbians.

So, if my religious beliefs cause harm to others, can they sue for damages? Or, framed in a way that isn’t immediately obvious to the self-centered, can I sue others if their beliefs harm me?

My, oh my, what a can of worms we have opened with this judge’s rulings! If ever there were a case to remove a judge from the bench based on their incompetence, this is it.

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6 Responses to “Religious Beliefs Cause Harm?”

  1. demo kid Says:

    If your religious beliefs impede my liberty, how can you not believe that they cause me harm?

    • Jonathan Gardner Says:

      Religious beliefs live inside my head and can’t fly out and injure you in any way. If thoughts could injure, then we would have to try people for their thoughts. This is insanity, and you know it.

  2. demo kid Says:

    If your religious beliefs dictate that you take action against me that impedes my liberty, your religious beliefs are an impediment to my liberty. That is the entire point of that passage… and far more believable than the idea that your marriage is impacted in the slightest by gay marriage.

    • Jonathan Gardner Says:

      So we punish actions in our society. Let me know when you are hurt, and we can talk about it in court.

      As it is, marriage is a term that has always meant a union between man and woman to form family. It is you who are damaging us by trying to redefine a word that is one of the pillars of our belief system and society.

      • demo kid Says:

        Let me know when you are hurt, and we can talk about it in court.

        That case was just IN court, in fact, and my side won.

        As it is, marriage is a term that has always meant a union between man and woman to form family. It is you who are damaging us by trying to redefine a word that is one of the pillars of our belief system and society.

        We’re not talking about religious definitions here, only civil ones. In this respect, marriage is a civil contract. Since the government is not in charge of enforcing religious dogma, these contracts — due to equal protection under the law — cannot be held from two people simply because of their race, religious, sex, etc.

        Beyond that, Catholic, Mormon and fundamentalist churches can feel free not to marry couples that they do not feel meet the religious requirements of the faith.

      • Jonathan Gardner Says:

        We’re not talking about religious definitions here, only civil ones.

        Here’s the rub. When my kids go to Kindergarten, they are going to learn something that directly contradicts my religion, and not just in a superficial way. I am going to have to accept your definition of marriage just to live in society, or be hit with discrimination lawsuits left and right. I will not have the right to say, “Marriage is between one man and one woman” in public any more.

        You don’t think that religions are going to see real harm from this? Ask our neighbors to the north how they are getting along. How many churches can preach publicly that homosexual relationships are sin, and that extra-marital sexual relationships defy the law of God? How man churches to the north can refuse to treat homosexual marriages like God-sanctioned marriages?

        The classic case is of the devout wedding photographer approached to photograph a homosexual wedding. Even though such a thing is physically revolting to the photographer, and contrary to all the teachings he holds dear, if he refuses to participate in the wedding as a photographer, he can be punished for discrimination.

        Or consider the marriage and family counselor who must counsel a homosexual couple. What rights do they have to refuse service to a family they consider to be suffering the effects of sin? Or what will happen if they counsel the family to divorce and to end their seeking after the lusts of the flesh and put their passions under the bounds the Lord has set?

        When you remake marriage in the image you want it in, a lot of people are going to have their religious liberties hampered, and not just in a minor way.

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